I have just read on the above site an account of the Spitfire that crashed in Hampton in 1944. I remember the incident well and to my knowledge their discription of what happened is inaccurate. Is there anybody who can confirm my recollection of the event? Throughout the war my family lived in Oldfield Road. I was in the back garden when I heard a very loud bang, I looked over towards the railway station and saw a white parachute drifting parallel to the station. I called my mother and she too saw the parachute. Now, I have to rely on local gossip, at the time. The pilot landed in the Ormonds, much to the alarm of the residents who, as he spoke broken English, thought he must be German. Two police officers arived from the police station and some soldiers from the Water Works and escorted the pilot away. It turned out that the pilot was polish. My friend told me, a part of the spitfire landed in Lindon Road. I can only assume the rest of the plane crashed in the nursery, which was on the west side of Ripley Road. Can anybody remember? Good luck. Bryan.

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My Mum, who also lived in Oldfield Road ( No 19), remembers "one of ours and it was small" crashing into the top end of Hall & Hall, by the junction of Oldfield Lane and Priory Road but she remembers this as happening about 1941/42 as she was working at Hall & Hall at that time, by 1944 she had left to take up a job as a welder! 

Hi Bill,

Thank you for your post. It is good when somebody is interested and replies. My mum also worked at Hall and Hall. I have no idea of the date this Spitfire crashed, I took it from The Aircrew Rememberance Society site. Regards. Bryan.

Bill Rosborough said:

My Mum, who also lived in Oldfield Road ( No 19), remembers "one of ours and it was small" crashing into the top end of Hall & Hall, by the junction of Oldfield Lane and Priory Road but she remembers this as happening about 1941/42 as she was working at Hall & Hall at that time, by 1944 she had left to take up a job as a welder! 

I have been contacted by Kevin Young from The Aircrew Rememberance Society who forwarded my version of events to the Polish pilots daughter-in-law, She maintains my version is not how her father-in-law told it. He told her, he was in the Spitfire when it crashed and he was rescued by two ladies. He also said he was seriously injured and taken to the West Middlesex Hospital, where he recovered and returned to flying. If his version is the factual one, who were the two ladies? where did the plane crash? I would love to get to the bottom of this. I have asked the R&T if they can help. I have tried contacting the Hampton History Society without success. Please can anybody help. Thank you. Bryan.

Bryan Alderson B.E.M. said:

Hi Bill,

Thank you for your post. It is good when somebody is interested and replies. My mum also worked at Hall and Hall. I have no idea of the date this Spitfire crashed, I took it from The Aircrew Rememberance Society site. Regards. Bryan.

Bill Rosborough said:

My Mum, who also lived in Oldfield Road ( No 19), remembers "one of ours and it was small" crashing into the top end of Hall & Hall, by the junction of Oldfield Lane and Priory Road but she remembers this as happening about 1941/42 as she was working at Hall & Hall at that time, by 1944 she had left to take up a job as a welder! 

Dear Bryan

I've asked my Uncle, (Tom Mason) and aircraftwise he only remembers a Wellington bomber which crashed in Park Road Hampton Hill, close to St James Church, this crash was confirmed by another Hamptonian, Bill Digby, who also has no recollection of the Spitfire crash. I remember seeing a photograph of the crashed Wellington at some time.

Maybe a note to the letters page of the R&T might shed some light.  

Incidentally Bryan, I understand another of my Uncle's, Bob Mason, was your neighbour

http://fcafa.wordpress.com/2012/09/19/spitfire-aircraft-of-310-sqn-...

There is an entry on the Free Czechoslovak Air Force site about a spitfire that made a forced landing in Hampton, is this linked to the incident you talk about?

AB784 Vb Trans from 93 Sqn to 312 Sqn then to 504 Sqn then to 313 Sqn. This aircraft suffered from an engine failure on 31/01/44. and made a forced landing at Hampton. Middlesex.

 http://www.thewindy.co.uk/about.htm

Also in the history for the Windmill pub in Hamptonhill it says about a Wellington coming down.

 

Hampton Hill was hit a number of times during the Blitz, the first major incident was in
November 1940 when first 63 Park rd was gutted when an abandoned Wellington bomber crashed on it
.

There is a lovely lady called 'Ivy' who has lived in Plevna Road 'all her life'. She remembers the night an incendiary bomb landed on No 11 Plevna Road. This house is now just No. 9. May be she could help. She still lives in Plevna Road.
 
Heather said:

http://fcafa.wordpress.com/2012/09/19/spitfire-aircraft-of-310-sqn-...

There is an entry on the Free Czechoslovak Air Force site about a spitfire that made a forced landing in Hampton, is this linked to the incident you talk about?

AB784 Vb Trans from 93 Sqn to 312 Sqn then to 504 Sqn then to 313 Sqn. This aircraft suffered from an engine failure on 31/01/44. and made a forced landing at Hampton. Middlesex.

 http://www.thewindy.co.uk/about.htm

Also in the history for the Windmill pub in Hamptonhill it says about a Wellington coming down.

 

Hampton Hill was hit a number of times during the Blitz, the first major incident was in
November 1940 when first 63 Park rd was gutted when an abandoned Wellington bomber crashed on it
.

Following on from Bryan's note on the Aircrew Remembrance Society, it states the pilot was Flight Sergeant Jozef Stanislau Zalenski. He was later promoted to Warrant Officer and was awarded the Cross of Valour (twice)! 

He survived the war and subsequently emigrated, with his wife and son, to Canada whereupon he changed his name to Jozef Hampton.

He died aged 87 on May 3rd 2001.

Thank you everybody, for your replies and your suggestions. I went to school with Ivy and was in the same class at Rectory as Ernie Mason. I think Tom was his older brother. I am sure the Mason family lived in Wembley Road. Re. the Spitfire crash in Hampton. I am now more baffled than ever. If Sergeant Pilot Jozef Stanislue Zalenski crash landed his Spitfire and was rescued by two Hampton ladies. Who did I see on the end of the parachute and who landed in Ormond Drive. I am sure I did not imagine, what I saw and heard. I maybe a bit 'Nuts' now but I wasn't then !!! Regards. Bryan.

Correct Bryan, the Mason family did move from Oldfield Road to Wembley Road in the 30's and Tom still lives in the same house today.

I have been reading this thread with intrest. I have great intrest in WW2 aircraft and am a member of the local model club.

I have been doing a little research in to AB784 Spitfire type Vb. There seems to be a discrepancy in the date of the crash landing. What is know about the following movements of the spitfire is listed here:

The letters followed by date are a location that the spitfire would have been flown to either to be in service or for modifications:

 

8MU 1-8-41 485S 7-8-41 CB ops 17-11-41 ASTE 452S 21-4-42 93S 4-6-42 VASM 17-3-43 fuel syst mods wing stiff 312S 4-6-43 AST 19-6-43 504S 30-6-43 313S 22-9-43 engine failed force-landed Hampton Middx 31-1-44

Six aircraft took part in formation flying training during the day. Spitfire VB AB784 flown by Flight Sergeant Zalenski crashed in South London (Hampton). Spitfire AB784 had engine problems and the pilot was forced to crash land in a garden nursery in Hampton. The pilot was seriously injured and was admitted to West Middlesex Hospital.

 

The Wellington Bomber that was mentioned crashed in park lane after the crew bailed out. The Wellington carried flying for some distance until it crashed in to a house. 

The crew had bailed out when their plane had become uncontrollable due to icing, crashed on to No. 63, Park Road, the home of Lady Stanton. The tip of the plane’s wing knocked off one of the crosses from one of the four pinnacles at the base of St. James’s Spire church.

Mike

Dear Mike, Thank you for your post and your interest. But still, the mystery has not been solved. We have the pilot's daughter in-laws version of events, these apparently having been relayed to her by Sergeant Jozef Stanislue Zalenski himself. We have my version of events, that is, what I saw and later the story which circulated around Hampton. I do not believe there were two Spitfires that crashed in Hampton. My friend who lived in Linden Road at the time, said a section of the plane had landed there. In which case would there have been a 'Crash Landing'? There used to be a nursery on the west side of Ripley Road. Did the Spitfire 'Crash Land' there? Who were the two ladies who rescued the pilot? I was told he landed in Ormond Drive and stood up and nothing about him being badly injured. I did ask the Richmond & Twickenham Times if they had reported the incident, but they were not interested. I am 80 this year. I don't suppose there is another old codger like me out there who remembers this bit of Hampton's History. I would love to know the truth. Kindest regards. Bryan.

This week I have written to the Richmond and Twickenham Times. Asking if anybody can solve the mystery of Hampton's World War Two Spitfire crash. In my opinion this is an important part of local history. I also believe the record of what happened should be accurate. If Flight Sergeant Jozef Stanislue Zalenski's (Who after the war changed his name to 'Hampton') Daughter-in-Law's description of the crash is accurate. Where did the Spitfire crash land? Who were the two very brave ladies that rescued him? A crashed aeroplane could easily explode, were these ladies recognised for their bravery? If I was dreaming, the day, I heard a very loud bang and saw a parachute descending over Hampton railway station. Who was it that landed on Ormond Drive? My late friend told me, part of the Spitfire landed in Lindon Road. Was he mistaken? Or will we never know what actually happened? Bryan.

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