I thought people might be interested to see the recently submitted planning application for the refurbishment of the Hampton Pool. All docs and details are on Richmond Borough website under 16/3434/FUL.

From the Design, Access & Heritage Statement:

The Pool is not being touched with the facility to stay operational throughout the refurbishment with minimal downtime. The provision of a new building allows for a decanting space to give back space to swimmers and to put swimming at the heart of the project.

Opportunities:
• Decant the gym, fitness studio and staff facilities out of the existing building increasing the changing room facilities.
• Refurbish the existing building to a high standard.
• Install a lift to provide access for all to the roof top café overlooking Bushy Park.
• Enlarge the café to deliver a covered area which will provide an open air shelter from the elements.
• Build new gym and fitness studios adjacent to the deep end with room around fitness equipment to accommodate wheelchairs.
• Install new insulation and plant to reduce water and energy usage.
• Reduce carbon footprint and increase energy efficiency

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Looks beautiful.  I hope that this is approved. 

I suggest that you take a look at the many objections on the Richmond Planning website. The attempt to turn it into something akin to yet another David Lloyd is most unwelcome

@arachnae - this is your opinion but for a very large majority, this upgrade is most welcome.  And, as a David Lloyd member, I would cancel my membership in a heartbeat so that I could use the facilities at the Pool which is a 3 min walk from my home.  The pool (building with attached facilities) in its present form is not fit for purpose to meet the needs of modern and everyday sports users.

Hi Arachnae - Could you give a sense of the local objections? It's definitely a substantial redevelopment, so a local critical perspective would be welcomed.

Yes, broadly:

  • turning one of the few surviving London Lidos into something else entirely
  • ruining its essential character (FYI I've been going there since I was a kid and I'm now 54)
  • providing yet more unwanted excess local health club capacity (Fitness First has just had to dispose of Teddington to Better)
  • meanwhile buggering up the local parking in a resi area near Bushy Park

Consequently it is, I believe, one of the most objected to applications that Richmond have ever dealt with.

I think that is a fair summary.

If anyone else wants to object make your views known here, they are still apparently open for business

http://www2.richmond.gov.uk/lbrplanning/Planning_CASENO.aspx?strCAS...

It is turning as said above into a David Lloyd establishment, which I believe we have.  This is not what I fought for and helped with funds all those years ago to get HP up and running. Yes I know we have to go forward, but to me it's losing the very essence of what we fought for, a Lido for the people

The vast majority of the 6000 regular users are in support of the project. But as with any development project there will be some who don’t want to see change.
Regrettably, there has been some misinformation and “fake news” about the development distributed around the neighbourhood, causing unrest in the community and the negative comments mentioned above. However, many of these comments are totally unfounded and speculative.

To have a closer look at the plans take a look at the Hampton Pool development website http://www.hamptonpooltrust.org.uk/development/

As an overview, The pool stays at the heart of the development, the existing building is refurbished and remodelled to improve existing changing facilities and provide much needed family changing facilities.

A new reception and a lift to the 1st floor will provide full accessibility to the sundeck café where there will be a covered seating over half the roof. Let’s not forget the 1960s building was designed for a 3-4 month summer season!! But now Hampton Pool is open all year round and needs to cater for all the customers, in all weather conditions.

I totally appreciate the community group who saved the pool back in the 1980’s, some of that group were responsible for making the current gym and the studio, both of which have helped with “dryside income” to help the pool stay open throughout the low swim season, from autumn to spring. Both of these facilities are in constant use and class sizes are frequently maxed out. Accessibility is limited in both the gym and studio they need upgrading to make them suitable and viable for the future.

The new DDA compliant full accessible gym, studios and office facilities will be built on derelict, unused land at the est end of the site. These new activity areas, will generate additional income in the low season when gym and studio use is greater and swimming is reduced, therefore it will have little impact on the local community in respect to traffic and parking.

It is true, Hampton Pool has a unique character but it has changed over the years to keep pace with the times. In 1922 it started out as a 25 yard pool, in 1939 it was extended to 40 yards. In 1960 it was widened and the current building was constructed, since then, apart from some refurbishment and maintenance, there have been no significant facility changes., essentially it has stood still.

No one is building a leisure centre or David Lloyd Club. This project looks to secure the longterm security of the pool by providing fully accessible and up to date facilities for the community.

Grahame good positive remark on Hampton PN - Who'd have thought it eh!

Thank you Grahame.  With upgraded facilities combined with the wonderful outdoor pool and grounds, Hampton Pool will be good to go for many, many years to come.  

Grahame H

I am wondering whether you are in fact one of the promoters of the project, in which  case perhaps you could say what you role in it is?

The fact is that rather than just "fake news", "misinformation" or "negative comment" (thanks, by the way, for belittling those who happen not to agree with you) there are 116 formal objections on Richmond's planning portal (one of which is mine) and only 21 notes of support. People should read this and make up their own minds rather than just accept the "puff piece" at the top of this article
 
Grahame H said:

The vast majority of the 6000 regular users are in support of the project. But as with any development project there will be some who don’t want to see change.
Regrettably, there has been some misinformation and “fake news” about the development distributed around the neighbourhood, causing unrest in the community and the negative comments mentioned above. However, many of these comments are totally unfounded and speculative.

To have a closer look at the plans take a look at the Hampton Pool development website http://www.hamptonpooltrust.org.uk/development/

As an overview, The pool stays at the heart of the development, the existing building is refurbished and remodelled to improve existing changing facilities and provide much needed family changing facilities.

A new reception and a lift to the 1st floor will provide full accessibility to the sundeck café where there will be a covered seating over half the roof. Let’s not forget the 1960s building was designed for a 3-4 month summer season!! But now Hampton Pool is open all year round and needs to cater for all the customers, in all weather conditions.

I totally appreciate the community group who saved the pool back in the 1980’s, some of that group were responsible for making the current gym and the studio, both of which have helped with “dryside income” to help the pool stay open throughout the low swim season, from autumn to spring. Both of these facilities are in constant use and class sizes are frequently maxed out. Accessibility is limited in both the gym and studio they need upgrading to make them suitable and viable for the future.

The new DDA compliant full accessible gym, studios and office facilities will be built on derelict, unused land at the est end of the site. These new activity areas, will generate additional income in the low season when gym and studio use is greater and swimming is reduced, therefore it will have little impact on the local community in respect to traffic and parking.

It is true, Hampton Pool has a unique character but it has changed over the years to keep pace with the times. In 1922 it started out as a 25 yard pool, in 1939 it was extended to 40 yards. In 1960 it was widened and the current building was constructed, since then, apart from some refurbishment and maintenance, there have been no significant facility changes., essentially it has stood still.

No one is building a leisure centre or David Lloyd Club. This project looks to secure the longterm security of the pool by providing fully accessible and up to date facilities for the community.
This is a fantastic development/proposal but reading the objections there is clearly an issue with parking.
Bushy Park is 1,100 acres in size, can't they donate maybe 2 acres adjacent to the pool for car parking
If so, job done.


@Arachnae - we appreciate that you are passionate about your feelings about this project, but Grahame's overview was hardly a puff piece, it just laid out a positive view of the project that I certainly appreciated.  There may be 121 negative responses on the council's planning site but perhaps the group that feels positively about this project don't realise they can make remarks.  The only reason I'm interested in this thread is that I live on Cardinals Walk, which is on hot sunny days and the summer concerts 'ground zero' for pool parking.   After reading some of the objections on the planning site, in particular around the parking situation, I felt that a large number of objections lost a great deal of credibility.  But, what I do hope that the proposed upgrade of facilities does move forward in order to secure the pool's future, not only for current and long term users, but those it will welcome in the future.  


Arachnae said:

Grahame H

I am wondering whether you are in fact one of the promoters of the project, in which  case perhaps you could say what you role in it is?

The fact is that rather than just "fake news", "misinformation" or "negative comment" (thanks, by the way, for belittling those who happen not to agree with you) there are 116 formal objections on Richmond's planning portal (one of which is mine) and only 21 notes of support. People should read this and make up their own minds rather than just accept the "puff piece" at the top of this article
 
Grahame H said:

The vast majority of the 6000 regular users are in support of the project. But as with any development project there will be some who don’t want to see change.
Regrettably, there has been some misinformation and “fake news” about the development distributed around the neighbourhood, causing unrest in the community and the negative comments mentioned above. However, many of these comments are totally unfounded and speculative.

To have a closer look at the plans take a look at the Hampton Pool development website http://www.hamptonpooltrust.org.uk/development/

As an overview, The pool stays at the heart of the development, the existing building is refurbished and remodelled to improve existing changing facilities and provide much needed family changing facilities.

A new reception and a lift to the 1st floor will provide full accessibility to the sundeck café where there will be a covered seating over half the roof. Let’s not forget the 1960s building was designed for a 3-4 month summer season!! But now Hampton Pool is open all year round and needs to cater for all the customers, in all weather conditions.

I totally appreciate the community group who saved the pool back in the 1980’s, some of that group were responsible for making the current gym and the studio, both of which have helped with “dryside income” to help the pool stay open throughout the low swim season, from autumn to spring. Both of these facilities are in constant use and class sizes are frequently maxed out. Accessibility is limited in both the gym and studio they need upgrading to make them suitable and viable for the future.

The new DDA compliant full accessible gym, studios and office facilities will be built on derelict, unused land at the est end of the site. These new activity areas, will generate additional income in the low season when gym and studio use is greater and swimming is reduced, therefore it will have little impact on the local community in respect to traffic and parking.

It is true, Hampton Pool has a unique character but it has changed over the years to keep pace with the times. In 1922 it started out as a 25 yard pool, in 1939 it was extended to 40 yards. In 1960 it was widened and the current building was constructed, since then, apart from some refurbishment and maintenance, there have been no significant facility changes., essentially it has stood still.

No one is building a leisure centre or David Lloyd Club. This project looks to secure the longterm security of the pool by providing fully accessible and up to date facilities for the community.

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