Hi All,

Not sure if everyone in Hampton received letters through their door or whether the mail was very local to the Thames Street area.  The letters detail a license application for the Bell Inn which in effect wants it to become a nightclub of sorts.  I've copied the planning application below:

To permit live music, recorded music, provision of facilities for dancing and the sale of alcohol on the ground floor and first floor Sunday to Wednesday 10.00 – 00.00 and Thursday - Saturday 10.00 – 02.00
To permit late night refreshment on the ground floor Sunday to Wednesday 23:00 and 00.30 and Thursday to Saturday 23.00 – 02.30
An additional 30 minutes of drinking up time on top of the last permitted sale of alcohol each for each day of the week.
For all of the above from the start fo permitted hours New Years Eve until the end of hours New Years Day

As a nearby resident to The Bell Inn I shall certainly be objecting to this application.  I wanted to let everyone know that the last date for objection to this application is on 1st March 2010.  Please do object if you do not want drinking and dancing until 3:00am  Thursday to Saturday!

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Hi Chris

I shall also be making representations to the Licensing Committee. You're quite right, Hampton isn't the place for nightclub opening hours. Thanks for raising this on here, it was on my 'To Do' list
By the way, I was rather taken with this part of the application...

"Remove the restriction on hours for Christmas Day and Good Friday so that whatever day of the week these respective days fall on the hours for that day will apply."

Whatever day of the week Good Friday will fall? As a good Catholic I'm all about the whole 'Moveable Feast' nature of Easter but surely Good Friday would always fall on a Friday!
Chris/Gareth

It might help people to flag up the best and easiest way to object - can one email - if so, to whom? Or is it better to write?
Good point Paul,

I copied the following from the Richmond Borough Council website (http://www.richmond.gov.uk/new_and_variation_premises_v284.pdf):

"To make representations (objections) against any of the applications, parties should email to licensing@richmond.gov.uk or write to the Head of Licensing, 2nd Floor, Civic centre, 44 York Street, Twickenham TW1 3BZ by the last date for representations as specified on the notice (1st March 2010). Representations must be relevant to at least one of the four licensing objectives which are:-

1) Prevention of crime and disorder
2) Public safety
3) Prevention of public nuisance
4) Protection of children from harm"

I'm sure the letter I received relating to this application also suggested contacting our local councilor. I'll take another look at the letter tonight and add any additional details to this post.
Hi Chris

Yes, the letter also suggested contacting your local councillor "you can contact Cllr Suzette Nicholson, who will be making representations on behalf of the local community, on 020 8979 8379."

You can also e-mail Suzette on cllr.snicholson@richmond.gov.uk
Hi Chris,

Thanks for bringing this to light, I'm a local resident and have not received any information. I use the Bell from time to time and although I know it's had yet another change of ownership, I've seen nothing mentioning their plans.

I will be vigorously opposing this application (must be in my March 1st). The procedure for making a representation shown on the Council's website is:

"To make representations (objections) against any of the applications, parties should email to licensing@richmond.gov.uk or write to the Head of Licensing, 2nd Floor, Civic centre, 44 York Street, Twickenham TW1 3BZ by the last date for representations as specified on the notice."

The council usually counts the number of responses for and against, so I will be sending my application (with a read receipt) direct to:

licensing@richmond.gov.uk


That way I can be assured my views are presented and counted.
Jay said:
At the time the license was applied for there were many objections but it still got through, so I wouldn't be surprised if it did again.

Not if I have anything to do with it, Jay!
The head of licensing is on leave until the closing date. I've asked his deputy to let me know who was consulted on this matter, as the Council never consult widely enough!

We all seem to be agreed that this is a bad thing for Hampton, so if we work together with our mutual resources, I can see it being pushed into touch.
Hi Thomas,

You're right, there isn't enough for young people to do in Hampton and that's something that has been neglected by the Council and will be addressed in the future (it's on my "to do" list). I have a child and I want her to grow up in an area where she feels safe and where there is entertainment for her in the evenings.

This isn't a NIMBY attitude, it's local residents concern over preserving the special character of Hampton and particularly in the conservation area. Many residents have expressed concern that young people and late night drinking often leads to anti-social behaviour. The people who have contacted me and live close to the Bell, feel a night club (dancing till 02:00 and drinking till 03:00), is inappropriate in the conservation area.

If it's a night club young people want, then there are plenty a short bus ride away in Kingston, where the resources are available to deal with the fall-out.

Anyone who feels strongly about this, for or against, should write or email the head of licensing so their opinion can be heard by the decision maker in the local Council.
Thomas Gerrard said:
I think it's not a bad idea, (younger people have to go somewhere you know). If this was an application to suit children or senior citizens it would, no doubt, be passed with a nod!
It's this 'not in my back yard' attitude that is so annoying, the Bell is surrounded by a churchyard cemetary, a river frontage, a car park and a small row of flats/derelict shop.
Where else do people expect younger people to go........obviously in someone elses back yard no doubt and no, i'm not a spotty faced youth!

I have to say, Thomas, that it won't just affect these areas. For one thing most of the houses on High Street up as far as Imperial Trading will be affected (yes, my own included) as will the modern flats on the corner of Thames Street and High Street. I should imagine that the noise would carry into the nearer parts of Station Road as well.

The presence of a night club would also stretch the capacity of our Safer Neighbourhood Team; if they're spending time dealing with anti-social behaviour at the Bell then that would, by necessity, leave the rest of Hampton without cover. Jay mentioned that when there was a late license at the Bell in the past there wasn't much trouble. I'd say that was almost certainly down to the fact that we had a police station on our doorstep crammed with coppers who could be on hand in minutes.

Finally, as Jay quite rightly says, if local young people want late night drinking then there's Kingston just down the road. Plenty to do there.

As for whether there'd be the outcry if this was something that was being planned for old people or young children well there almost certainly wouldn't be. I don't think there's much of an issue with toddlers in Hampton causing noise nuisance at 3am (well, apart from in my house where the 'cheeky pox' is currently knocking my two year old for six). You'll notice my qualification of 'almost' by the way. I recall the hoo and cry that surrounded the installation of the hugely popular playground on Hampton Green; if you believed those who spoke out against it then you would have thought it would have been three times its current size and would have come complete with a tarmac path carving a gash through the middle of the green itself!
Thomas Gerrard said:
I do, and always have been, fully in favour of the new green Gareth and especially the playground which always seems to be busy although the green itself has never had a better day than last February when the snow came...and stayed.
Where are the SNT patrolling at the moment and Jay, What is the name of this Pub(s) that are so bad?

Hi Thomas, glad you like it too! It's been an absolute god send as far as we've been concerned. Before it was installed there was the schelpp up to the playground near Tangley Park or the one at the far end of Bushy Park. Having swings on the doorstep, as it were, is smashing when you've got three kids aged under 5.

When I've attended the SNT meetings they've always been very cagey, and understandably so, about giving details of the patrols. One anecdote I recall from Sergeant Cook was that one of his favourite haunts was to sit under the large climbing frame in the playground after dark; wearing his black uniform he was practically invisible unless you were standing beside him. Any youths who strayed into playground and started getting up to mischief would get the shock of their lives as he suddenly lit his torch and appeared, like the shopkeeper in Mr Benn, 'as if by magic'.
Thomas Gerrard said:

"I do, and always have been, fully in favour of the new green Gareth and especially the playground which always seems to be busy although the green itself has never had a better day than last February when the snow came...and stayed.
Where are the SNT patrolling at the moment and Jay, What is the name of this Pub(s) that are so bad?"


Tom, in my case this is is certainly an example of not in my back yard and I am not ashamed to admit it. I live within 100m of the Bell Inn and for you to say that the Bell is surrounded by a cemetery, a church and a few flats, basically in the belief that there will be little or no detriment to the village, is nonsense.

I choose to live in Hampton rather than, say, Kingston, precisely for the reason that I do not want to live next to nightclubs and the like. Do you not think that with extended drinking hours there will be an increase in drunkenness? And drunkenness leads to antisocial behavior, obvious due to the required police presence and cleanup operations in town centers at weekends!. These license changes will attract a different clientele, I certainly cannot go out drinking until 3:00am on Thursday night and get up for work at 6am! And how do you suppose people will leave at 3am? Quietly dispersing or more rather singing and chanting through the streets of Hampton or waiting at various bus stops around the village, affecting many other residents not just those within earshot of the late night music.

I'm sure revelers really have no issue with a 5-10minute bus ride to Kingston or Richmond where they have the infrastructure for nightclubs: bars, fast food outlets, taxis, cash machines, policing..........

Hampton is a peaceful village, lets keep it this way.

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